SFFWorld's Favorite 2012 Book (should be no surprise)

So I voted for Heir of Novron. Did that not count for Percepliquis as well? If it didn't I want to change my vote! =)

I hope so, because I believe I was in the same boat...



Looking forward to 2013. Cant wait for the Michael Sullivan and Brandon Sanderson releases.

I have been sitting on the Mark Lawrence books for a few years, anyone care to convince me I should read that before I start The Lies of Locke Lamora?
 
I hope so, because I believe I was in the same boat...



Looking forward to 2013. Cant wait for the Michael Sullivan and Brandon Sanderson releases.

I have been sitting on the Mark Lawrence books for a few years, anyone care to convince me I should read that before I start The Lies of Locke Lamora?

Arent they totally different, night and day, such that its about what you are in the mood for? Lies of Locke Lamora is fairly light in tone, and pleasant in a gentle sort of way. You may not love it, but surely it wont turn your stomach and you will most likely at least like it. Lawrence is dark fantasy, with anti-heroes, horrific acts and all that. Personally, I am almost never in the mood for dark fantasy, but each to their own.
 
Arent they totally different, night and day, such that its about what you are in the mood for? Lies of Locke Lamora is fairly light in tone, and pleasant in a gentle sort of way. You may not love it, but surely it wont turn your stomach and you will most likely at least like it. Lawrence is dark fantasy, with anti-heroes, horrific acts and all that. Personally, I am almost never in the mood for dark fantasy, but each to their own.

I was sold at "horrific acts and all that." Thanks for the help.

Fairly light toned and gentle stories have their place, but everything around me is all brown and black from melting winter, so it's dark and twisted I'm looking for.
 
I was sold at "horrific acts and all that." Thanks for the help.

Fairly light toned and gentle stories have their place, but everything around me is all brown and black from melting winter, so it's dark and twisted I'm looking for.
There's dark and twisted then there's Prince of Thorns. If you like having the same bits of information shoved down your throat every two seconds, nothing but ultra-violence and rape, then yeah, it's a good book.

If you don't, however, then I'd advise you to stay away. There are much better darker writers out there - Abercrombie, Morgan, Sapkowski, Marmell and so on.
 
Yeah I can imagine there were a lot of "split" votes because they both hit in January and Percepliquis was in each. Thanks for the vote!

You're quite welcome.

Of course I would normally mention that I wouldn't have voted such if you hadn't written so well and that really the thanks here should be mine, but I know that you'd only find a way to thank me again due to your self-effacing style, so I will skip that in this instance, with hope that you'll pick up on the "subtext". ;)

Yep, two releases for me in 2012. The Crown Tower will be August 6...same day as Emperor of Thorns which will beat the living crap out of it...but it's all good Mark's series is very deserving. Coincidentally, The Rose and the Thorn is being released on my birthday...and Orbit wasn't even aware of that fact. I'm hoping for good sales as my birthday gift.

Hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised by The Crown Tower sales, and I know that I'll buy both on their release weeks. It seems a happy coincidence as far as the latter's publication date goes. Unless anticipation over The Rose and the Thorn's sales were to distract from your ability to enjoy your birthday? It would seem a shame were that to be the case.
 
Arent they totally different, night and day, such that its about what you are in the mood for? Lies of Locke Lamora is fairly light in tone, and pleasant in a gentle sort of way. You may not love it, but surely it wont turn your stomach and you will most likely at least like it. Lawrence is dark fantasy, with anti-heroes, horrific acts and all that. Personally, I am almost never in the mood for dark fantasy, but each to their own.

I would say Lies of Locke Lamora is "lighter" in tone...although most is when compared to Prince of Thorns...Mark wanted Jorg to be really raw and he hit that mark well. Lynch, Abercrombie, Martin, Cook all tend to write fantasy with "darker notes" so I think they would be liked by both. What I find interesting is just how many fans Mark and I share (based on "also bought information from Amazon) because I definitely would put Theft of Swords into the "light" category.
 
I hope so, because I believe I was in the same boat...

Looking forward to 2013. Cant wait for the Michael Sullivan and Brandon Sanderson releases.

Hey I made the list - I don't care where - so it's all good ! Gla dyou are looking forward to my 2013 releases.
 
@ Loerwyn
Well that's not a biased review at all. Oh, and b.s., he doesn't shove the same bits of information down your throat....no idea where that comes from. As to ultra-violence and rape.....he doesn't even compare to the vulgarity or brutality in a Song of Ice and Fire or the Gap Cycle, both of which are phenomenal.

This just sounds like author-hating, not anything useful.
 
Hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised by The Crown Tower sales, and I know that I'll buy both on their release weeks. It seems a happy coincidence as far as the latter's publication date goes. Unless anticipation over The Rose and the Thorn's sales were to distract from your ability to enjoy your birthday? It would seem a shame were that to be the case.

I now realize how important pre-orders and "first week purchases" are...when self-published we don't have such notions. Peter (Brett) made the USA Today bestseller list because of good sales his release week and he made the "extended list" for the New York Times. I can't deny that hitting such a list is a goal I would love to reach someday, but much of the strength of my sales are that, like the Energizer Bunny, they just keep going. I don't look at sales...but my wife who does...keeps me informed. By the time the books come out I've usually written a few more and am deep into my current WIP so in some ways they are pretty much off my radar as I finished them over a year before. So no, having the release dates being the same won't distract, although I'm usually pretty subdued on the birthday front too.
 
@ Loerwyn
Well that's not a biased review at all. Oh, and b.s., he doesn't shove the same bits of information down your throat....no idea where that comes from. As to ultra-violence and rape.....he doesn't even compare to the vulgarity or brutality in a Song of Ice and Fire or the Gap Cycle, both of which are phenomenal.

This just sounds like author-hating, not anything useful.

That does seem like a sharp biting bit of author-hating to myself too. But it most assuredly pushed me towards the book, and not away from it.

Loved ASOIAF, if this is less gritty than that, I hardly think it'll offend my less-than-delicate sensibilities.

Plus, things like ultra-violence are completely fine. And rape, if used properly can also help a story. But that certainly is a tricky line to tow. I think Fiona McIntosh did a fine job of it in her Trinity Trilogy. (say what you want about Fiona, I quite like her)
 
@ Loerwyn
Well that's not a biased review at all. Oh, and b.s., he doesn't shove the same bits of information down your throat....no idea where that comes from. As to ultra-violence and rape.....he doesn't even compare to the vulgarity or brutality in a Song of Ice and Fire or the Gap Cycle, both of which are phenomenal.

This just sounds like author-hating, not anything useful.
Most of the time in ASoIaF, it's less in your face. Yes, a lot of brutal things happen, but the tone is differently. And yes, he does shove the same bits of information down your throat. Do I need to remind you about the black blackness of the black Nuban who is black and this is remarkable because he is black therefore his blackness must be stated every time he appears? And I'm far from the only person to notice it and point it out as a criticism.

I don't 'hate' Mark Lawrence. Admittedly we're not the best of friends and I'm sure we'll clash horns (again) at some point, but I don't hate him. And how does my dislike of the book mean my 'review' is biased? It's no more or less biased than anyone who goes "Buy it! I liked it!", is it? Same thing has happened; an exchange of opinions. In my opinion it's a grotesque piece in need of better editing and better world building. There's nothing redeeming about it. I can see why people liked it, certainly, but I didn't. It was an open discussion, and I'm free to give my views.

Plus, things like ultra-violence are completely fine. And rape, if used properly can also help a story. But that certainly is a tricky line to tow. I think Fiona McIntosh did a fine job of it in her Trinity Trilogy. (say what you want about Fiona, I quite like her)
A fat girl is raped at the start, not to mention humiliated over her weight (common theme in the book), for the sake of, well, shock. It certainly doesn't add anything to the book.
 
A fat girl is raped at the start, not to mention humiliated over her weight (common theme in the book)

You're welcome to your opinions of course, but perhaps outright lying is going a little far.

This is the only mention of 'the fat girl'

The fat girl had a lot to say, just like her father. Screeched like a barn owl: hurt my ears with it. I liked the older one better. She was quiet enough. So quiet you'd give a twist here or there just to check she hadn't died of fright.

I'm not aware of any incidence _at all_ of a fat person being humilated over their weight in the book - let alone it being a common theme, but you're welcome to provide evidence.

It's also the only mention of rape except for one line a hundred pages later that alludes to the fact it went on a lot. And if you care to interpret "I saw what they did to Mother, and how long it took." as rape. A grand total of well under 100 words. Less than a decent sized paragraph.

A lot worse things than being humilated happen to people (fat or thin) in the book and in pretty much every fantasy book out there.

You may not hate me but the obsession is growing old.
 
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I'm not surprised that Abercrombie won, but I am somewhat surprised by the margin of victory. It was a late release and I thought maybe that would hurt the vote totals, but clearly not. Of the 5 books that I voted for, 4 (Blood Song, Sharps, Red Country, and Percepliquis) of them are on the list. Seems my tastes are mostly in line with the majority of the forum. Was I the only one to vote for When We Were Executioners by J.M. McDermott? I don't see much mention of the Dogsland books which is really too bad. I really enjoyed the first two in the series and look forward to reading the third.
 
I am of two minds about the Broken Empire books. On the one hand I admire the craft, and was quite drawn in by the narrative pull of King of Thorns in particular. I think Lawrence, in several ways, does a really good job at paying out the narrative in ways that simultaneously slam us right up against Jorg and don't let us get far enough away from him to judge him without having to take his personal experience of the world into account and also let us know that there is a world beyond Jorg, vantage points from which things might look very different. On the other hand, the depiction of Jorg and his world often feels less like an investigation of difficult new material for the genre and more like an escalation of previous "dark" and "realistic" takes on epic fantasy, the misogyny and the brutality an amped-up version of an aesthetic which is at this point in danger of becoming just a done thing in the popular grim epic space, rather than making us think productively. And that is what Jorg's story undertakes to do, I think: make us think about whether there is any worth in such a person, negotiate a line of interest in / horror at the character between Jorg and the things he does. I just wonder how much of this technique, for how many readers [everyone relates to the book differently, obviously], ends up getting taken as a sort of gross-out entertainment, simply because its treatment of people often [not always] follows the paths worn by previous "gritty" fantasy, just with nastier representations.
 
a bit of a surprise for me the absence of lady authors from the top five. I thought the year 2012 was well represented with Elizabeth Bear, N K Jemisin, Catherynne Valente, but apparently the grimdark popularity will remain unchallenged, in fact as Mjolnir puts it, it becomes a 'done thing and the best action an author can take in order to be noticed is to ramp up to gross-out elements.
 
a bit of a surprise for me the absence of lady authors from the top five.
We've had that discussion at SFFWorld before, so its not for me, I'm afraid. It's not just an SFFWorld thing, of course, but an oft-mentioned thing about the Fantasy and SF genres in general. As good as the writing/the plot/the chacters are, if the books aren't out there, they're not going to get read. (There's always that debate of 'quality' over 'quantity' that usually arises at this point too.)

apparently the grimdark popularity will remain unchallenged
I think it's out there, but perhaps not shown here. Like hooded men or tattoo'ed ladies backs on covers, grimdark's what is grabbing reader's interests at the moment. That and sexy vampires\werewolves. :) But like all trends, they often change.

Like some of the posters have said above, I'm interested to see what happens next year. :)
 
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We've had that discussion at SFFWorld before, so its not for me, I'm afraid. It's not just an SFFWorld thing, of course, but an oft-mentioned thing about the Fantasy and SF genres in general. As good as the writing/the plot/the chacters are, if the books aren't out there, they're not going to get read. (There's always that debate of 'quality' over 'quantity' that usually arises at this point too.)
But that's the thing, they are out there. Elspeth Cooper, Anne Lyle, Teresa Frohock, Gail Z. Martin, Glenda Larke, Cherie Priest, Malinda Lo, Kameron Hurley, Caitlin R. Kiernan, Catherynne M. Valente, Gaie Sebold and a whole bunch of others whose names I've forgotten.

They're out there, they're being published, but they're often overlooked because they're "female authors". Not authors like Beardy Martin, Guy Gavriel Kay, Jim C. Hines, etc., but "female authors".
 
Not a terrible surprise, no. You can't expect Logan's return to have gone unremarked here.

Most of the members who frequent the SF forum are not going to be voting on this thing and the core group of members in fantasy tend to like one particular type of secondary world fantasy and not much of anything else. I would not call this brand of fantasy grim/dark as its defining factor, as there are tons of grim dark fantasy writers, including women, who don't get a lot of notice here, and in fact in the official dark fantasy sub-category, which is more in line with horror, women authors have at times outnumbered the men. Instead, I would term it epic battle fantasy -- bleak aspects of war with crows pecking out the eyes of corpses on the battlefield as kingdoms clash and spies spy. Sanderson, Erikson, Abercrombie, etc. form a solid block of authors writing in the tradition of David Gemmell, Glen Cook, Michael Moorcock and Guy Gavriel Kay. Women write those stories too and in times past some female authors like Robin Hobbs have been of interest, but the reality is we have about half the core members reading women and male titles and the other half avoids women authors like the plague because they don't think they can do battle fantasy. Contemporary fantasy authors are way larger in the market, as they mix fantasy and suspense audiences, and do sometimes get discussed here, but by and large, most of our regular participants don't read much contemporary fantasy, historical fantasy or thriller secondary world stories, preferring battles to mystery thrillers, and some of those who did keep more tabs on contemporary fantasy aren't around as much anymore. So it's nice to see The Troupe on the list representing horror and Cole's debut, though again, Cole's work is battle fantasy. And King's entry is his Dark Tower series, which is a multi-dimensional setting and is battle fantasy, western style. (As was Red Country as Abercrombie cycles through a wonderful array of story concepts. I'm waiting for his battle fantasy version of Pride and Prejudice.)

Our Mr. Sullivan is an interesting case. When he came here, he ventured that he was writing somewhat comic adventure fantasy of the sort nobody did anymore. And of course, he was wrong. Lots of authors do it, many of which we've discussed here, though I never did manage that whole list for him. But Sullivan's work is also plenty dark (I'm working on the second compilation at the moment,) and it is also less caper than battle fantasy. It is about clashing kingdoms, various types of battles, spy skullduggery, crows pecking eyes, etc. He has much in common with Mr. Lynch and a number of other current authors, he has antecedents of Mr. Kay and more than a touch of descent from Mr. Cook et. al., both Garrett and Black Company. So he fits right in. That leaves us with only The Troupe as the one non-battle fantasy on the list of top ten. So clearly, there's a preference in our most motivated of the crowd. :)

That being said, I have seen a noticeable increase this year in discussion of female writers coming up in the Fantasy/Horror forum. The discussions are smaller, true, but more people are asking what about this series and what about this one, on female writers, contemporary fantasies, and odder not-battle fantasy stories, etc. So discussion is going on; it's just we are the home of the unofficial Joe Abercrombie fan club, which just sort of happened, and the Steve Erikson club is still fairly strong, and many wait for George and enjoy the t.v. show meanwhile. Whereas our China Mieville fan club (Railsea,) Robin Hobb fan club (City of Dragons just came out this year so she missed the deadline,) and Jim Butcher fan club (Cold Days -- our contemporary fantasy one) have somewhat declined.

Some authors who are also getting a lot of attention: Elspeth Cooper, Douglas Hulick, Sam Sykes, Carol Berg, Anne Lyle, Stephen Deas, Paul Hoffman, Jon Courtenay Grimwood, N.K. Jemisin, J.M. McDermott, Daniel O'Malley, Saladin Ahmed, G. Willow Wilson, Kevin Hearne, Stacia Kane, Ilona Andrews, and Ben Aaronovitch.

This is not to detract in any way from the authors who got the top ten in our survey. The battle epics have always been the flagship of fantasy fiction and these authors have built their fanbases over time, sometimes exploring controversial and horror riven subject matter. There are a lot of battle epics out there, but these clearly resonated in character, setting and style with many people. Some of them are newer and did not get there through a simple trick of novelty, and others are icons or becoming the next venerated statespeople. Plus, you know, crows pecking out corpses' eyeballs. Fun stuff.
 
Nice post Kat, well said.

With regards to Joe's overwhelming win, that was indeed expected.
Just want to point out that this is also due to the fact that there were no major 2012 releases from GRRM, Sanderson, Rothfuss and Bakker.
All 4 of these have either won or given close competition in the past 10 years.

In addition, Robin Hobb and Steven Erikson are also past winners of the SFFworld Year's Best Award as I recall, but their popularity has waned somewhat over the years. Hobb's Fitz narrated books were winners or in the top 3 every year IIRC, back in the early 00's she was the top dog here. Erikson's last couple of books have been received less enthusiastically, I think as of Toll the Hounds his popularity here and on Westeros has gone down.

Plus of course a lot of core members who voted for years have also stopped coming to the site the last few years. This also changes the voting somewhat, though of course epic alternate world Fantasy has always been the mainstay of the forum.

For reference, here is the 2011 result:


1.A Dance with Dragons by George R. R. Martin (116 total points)
2.The Heroes by Joe Abercrombie (92 total points)
3.The Wise Man’s Fear by Patrick Rothfuss (76 total points)
4.The Crippled God by Steven Erikson (66 points)
5.The White Luck Warrior by R. Scott Bakker (46 points)
6.Leviathan Wakes by James S.A. Corey (40 points)
7.Ready Player One by Ernest Cline (36.5 points)
8.The Iron Jackal by Chris Wooding (32 points)
9.The Dragon’s Path by Daniel Abraham (27 points)
10.Among Others by Jo Walton (21 Points)
 
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